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Eliza  EMERSON

Eliza EMERSON

Female Abt 1807 - 1867  (~ 60 years)

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  • Name Eliza EMERSON  [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
    Born Abt 1807  , , England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  [5, 6, 7
    • Unknown, 1861 census states Portsmouth, Hampshire--but unconvincing.
    Christened 19 Apr 1812  Alverstoke , Southampton (Hampshire), England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Died Mar 1867  , Lincolnshire, England. UK Find all individuals with events at this location  [5, 6
    Buried 23 Mar 1867  Manby, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  [6, 8
    • St. Mary's Church--NBI File #15684; see photo of parish record, Manby Parish
    Confirmation 7 Mar 1973  Provo, Utah County, Utah, USA Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Provo Temple
    Religion Anglican 
    Notes 
    • The use of the term"British Subject" was to conceal the fact that Eliza Emerson was the daughter of an unmarried mother. The term "British Subject" was sufficiently confusing that nobody was thought able to make this determination.
      ===
      Above may be correct. On 1841 Census she is shown as not being born in the County and on 1851 Census she is a British Subject and on 1861 Census being born in Portsmouth, Hampshire. Heather ROGERS nee JOHNSON my cousin and myself are convinced that that Eliza born on 5 July 1803 is the correct Eliza, but she has given vague information because she was illegitimate. Her mother Elizabeth is sister to Robert Emmerson. (Source: Shirley Berry)
      ===
      13 January 2011--Changes made to birth date and location, and removal of christening reference.

      Reference the IGI--through the Hugh Wallis website 
        Elizabeth Emmerson, born 3 Nov 1805, christened 03 Nov 1805 in Scamblesby, Mother was Elizabeth Emmerson  (C030771)
        Eliza Emmerson, born 5 Jul 1803, christened 10 Jul 1803 in Scamblesby, mother was Elizabeth Emmerson  (C030771)
        Ann Emmerson, born ??, christened 12 Oct 1834 in Scamblesby, mother was Eliza Emmerson  (C030771)

      Ancestry search--Eliza Emmerson, b 1805, +- 5 years, died 1867 in Lincolnshire
        Result #1--Eliza Emmerson found in 1861 census, District 4, Horncastle, Horncastle, Lincs
      Foundry Street Workhouse
      b. about 1805, age 56, b. in Tathwell, Lincs  (Horncastle District)
      Tathwell is located 3 miles south of Louth.  Also, about 3 miles from N. Reston, 4-5 miles from Scamblesby/Goulceby/Market Stainton. And 1.5 miles from Raithby.
      Listed as inmate
      Imbecile from birth
            This disqualifies the Elizabeth Emmerson listed above, born on 3 November 1805, and an imbecile from birth, as being "Eliza Emmerson" Snowden, my 4th great grandmother.

      Ancestry Search--same criteria
        Result #2--Eliza Emerson (one "m"), age 46, b. about 1805 in Tathwell
      Listed as "An Imbecile"
           This further disqualifies her as her condition appears consistent over a ten year period.  My grandmother appears in other census records for these periods.

      Ancestry Search--England and Wales FreeBMD Death Index
         Result #1--Eliza Snowden, b. about 1807, died at age 60, registration in Louth, first quarter of 1867.  GRO Book 7a, page 411

      Ancestry Search--Eliza Snowden, age 35, b. about 1806, married to William Snowden.  1841 Market Stainton, Lincs census.
         Result #1--Correct person.  approximate date of birth was 1806

      Ancestry Search--Eliza Snowden, age 43, b. about 1808, married to William Snowden.  1851 North Ormsby, Lincs census.  Born:  British subject.
         Result #1--Correct person.  approximate date of birth was 1808

      Ancestry Search--Eliza Snowden, age 52, b. about 1809, married to Willliam Snowden.  1861 N. Somercotes, Lincs. census.  Born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
         Result #1--Correct person.  Approximate date of birth was 1809.
         Result #2--Portsmouth, Hampshire was listed as place of birth.  This is the first reference to an exact birth location found.  If true, the Scamblesby parish record clearly is the wrong person.
         Result #3--All verifiable references to Eliza's birth precede the 1805 birth date of the Scamblesby record.  Therefore, that record must be a different person.

      Parish Record--Scamblesby Parish, Marriage record
         Marriage of William Sowden and Eliza Emmerson, spinster of the Parish, were married in this church by Banns with the consent of ______ (no one listed) this fourth day of October in the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty five.  (Document continues)
         Result #1--If Eliza was born in 1808, and married in 1825, her age at marriage would have been 17.  This appears reasonable for the day.
         Result #2--their first child Emmerson, born in August of 1826, would have arrived ten months after the marriage.  This appears reasonable, even for a 17 year old to conceive.

      CONCLUSION:  Based upon the facts shown above, it is reasonable to conclude that Eliza's birth likely was in about 1808.  The most probably birth location, based upon the census return of 1861, would be Portsmouth, Hampshire.  However, that is a substantial distance from Lincolnshire and these people were poor agricultural workers.  It is possible though, with no other intervening options at the present time.    For purposes of accuracy, Eliza's birth date will be changed to abt 1808 and the location of her birth will be left open for now, with a general note about Portsmouth.  The christening date will be removed also.
      ===
      Hello Ron,

      I know everything about the EMMERSON/EMERSON seen in the Record
      at
      Scamblesy given by the Batch Number C030771

      The concetration to Eliza and
      Elizabeth who appear on my Tree, have been accounted for.

      Eliza of 1803 was
      the "imbecile" who died at the Union Street Workhouse at Horncastle and
      who
      was buried at Goulceby.

      Elizabeth born and christened 1805, these types of
      events suggests that the child was likely
      not to survive and only probably
      lived for a few hours.

      The Eliza who went to marry William was Eliza of
      Alverstoke, literaly 2 miles distant from
      Portsmouth, Hampshire (See my Map)
      who is linked to Robert and Ann.

      Portmouth is a "Naval Port" even in Henry VIII days

      We, have firm evidence to this where Emmerson her son was resident
      possibly in the same
      house as  Robert and Ann in 1851.

      She was born in 1808/9
      according to the reliabilty of her 1851 and 1861 Census, even her burial

      suggests that she was born in 1807.

      Whichever date, her birth can only be
      estimated at 1808 and therefore christened aged 4, if using this method.

      If you believe that she was even Elizabeth of 1805 she would have been 46 years of
      age when she had Emmela.
      Even if you were still to believe she was Eliza of
      1803 she would have been 48 years of age and menapauseing.

      It is the singular reason that Emmela was likely not to survive and sadly it was so, even when she
      was about aged 44.

      I had in my last email provided a possible Elizabeth who
      could have been Eliza, found in the Tathwell Record, where I know
      Elizabeth EMMERSON of South Somercotes was resident in 1841.

      It was even assumed that
      her daughter natural daughter Eliza, was from Tathwell in her 1851 and 1861
      Census Returns until it was corrected in her later Census Returns.

      Eliza EMERSON of Alverstoke/Portsmouth now must stop at the Adoption by Robert and Ann,
      despite "The English Emersons"
      which, was written closest to dates of the
      events. It shows "issue", the term is loosely based and I advise that it may not
      always mean natural but "child of".

      The register at Alverstoke shows "Eliza"


      Regards

      Leslie
    • 7
      Above may be correct. On 1841 Census she is shown as not being born in the County; and on 1851 Census she
      is a British Subject and on 1861 Census being born in Portsmouth, Hampshire. Heather ROGERS, nee
      JOHNSON, my cousin and myself are convinced that that Eliza born on 5 July 1803 is the correct Eliza, but
      she has given vague information because she was illegitimate. Her mother Elizabeth is sister to Robert
      Emmerson and according to stories in the family he looked after his sister and her illegitimate children. Robert
      was press ganged into the Navy in 1795. His wife Ann was born in Elsham, Kent. Robert spent all his life in
      the Navy and ended up a Warrant Officer (see his part of the Tree). Emerson SNOWDEN was present at
      Ann's death and Robert and Ann were living next door to Emerson in 1851 Census and Ann was living with
      Emerson in 1861 described as a Widow. [6]
    Person ID I59  Ronald Allen Snowden Family Tree
    Last Modified 8 Jun 2013 

    Father Robert EMMERSON,   b. 5 Oct 1777, South Somercotes, Lincolnshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Jul 1856, North Somercotes, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 78 years) 
    Mother Ann FOUND,   b. Abt 1782, Eltham, Kent, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1866  (Age ~ 84 years) 
    Married 9 Jan 1811  Alverstoke , Southampton (Hampshire), England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  [9
    • Alvestone Parish--Source: Book The English Emmersons, Lincoln
    _UID 2371CCC307144BA4A0028DD861ADEED50590 
    Notes 
    • Marriage found on Hugh Wallis website,
      representing LDS index of
      Alverstoke Parish, Hampshire, England
      Marriage date of 9 Jan 1811
      Spouse: Ann Found
      ====
      Photo of birth record, Alverstoke Parish, found on Ronsgen.com
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      Photo of marriage record, Alverstoke parish, found on Ronsgen.com
      ===
    Documents
    Alverstoke Parish Record
Marriage of Robert Emerson and Ann Found
    Alverstoke Parish Record Marriage of Robert Emerson and Ann Found
    Solemnized on the ninth day of January of 1911.
    Both Robert and Ann signed the document with their "X"
    Alverstoke, Hampshire, England Parish Records
Marriage of Robert Emerson and Ann Found
9 January 1811
    Alverstoke, Hampshire, England Parish Records Marriage of Robert Emerson and Ann Found 9 January 1811
    Histories
    History of Robert Emerson and Ann Found
    History of Robert Emerson and Ann Found
    Married by banns, 9th day of January 1811 at Alvestone Parish, Southampton, England
    Robert Emerson went into the Navy and was superannuated as boatswain of H.M.S. Sheldrake, June 30, 1817, given at Chatham 3 July 1817. He was wrecked in HMS Boreas (Commander Scott) on the Hanny Rocks, off Guernsey, in 1807. He also served in HMS Victory. He was baptized October 5, 1777, at South Somecotes, Co. Lincoln. He left issue: (Children)

    Family ID F116  Group Sheet

    Family William SNOWDEN,   b. Abt 1803, North Reston Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 13 Jul 1866, Manby, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 63 years) 
    Married 4 Oct 1825  Scamblesby, Louth, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    • See marriage entry in Scamblesby Parish Record
    _UID C8BB27870CB3457CA150B6A88EA19ED29FAE 
    Notes 
    • Register of Marriages
      Parish of Scamblesby, County of Lincoln, England

      Marriage of
      William Sowden of the Parish and Eliza Emmerson, spinster of he Parish, were married in this church by Banns with the consent of _______ (no onelisted) this fourth day of October in the year one thousand eight hundred and twenty five.

      By me, B.F. Fowler, Curate

      The marriage was solemnized between William Sowden and Eliza Emmerson in the presence of Mary B___well and James Bray.

      No. 41
      Page 14

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    Children 
     1. Emmerson SNOWDEN,   b. Abt 1826, Scamblesby, Louth, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 13 Nov 1909, North Somercotes, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 83 years)
     2. Eliza SNOWDEN,   b. 1828, Scamblesby, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location
     3. George SNOWDEN,   b. 1831, Cawkwell, Linconshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Oct 1912, Louth, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 81 years)
     4. William SNOWDEN,   b. 1834, Cawkwell, Louth, Linconshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 23 Jan 1877, Manby, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 43 years)
     5. Vilet SNOWDEN,   b. 2 Apr 1838, St. Leonard, South Cockerington, Linconhire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 8 Dec 1912, Fulstow, Louth, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 74 years)
     6. Emma SNOWDEN,   b. Bef 29 Apr 1838, St. Leonard, South Cockerington, Linconhire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aug 1859, South Cockerington, Louth, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 21 years)
     7. Esther SNOWDEN,   b. Abt Mar 1840, Lambcroft Ludberang, Lincolnshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Sep 1861, Louth, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 21 years)
     8. Ephraim SNOWDEN,   b. 28 Aug 1842, Sotby, Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Jun 1921, Louth, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 78 years)
     9. Thomas SNOWDEN,   b. Abt Jun 1845, Sotby, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Dec 1869, Manby, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 24 years)
     10. Ellen SNOWDEN,   b. Jun 1847, Raithby, North Somercoates, Lincolnshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. May 1909, Ludford, Louth, Lincolnshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 61 years)
     11. Emmela (Emily) SNOWDEN,   b. Abt Sep 1850, North Ormsby, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Dec 1851, North Ormsby, Lincolnshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 1 years)
    Photos
    St. Mary's Church
Manby, Lincolnshire, England
    St. Mary's Church Manby, Lincolnshire, England
    Known burials at this church are
    Eliza Emerson Snowden
    Marriage Record of William Snowden and Eliza Emmerson--Scamblesby Parish
    Marriage Record of William Snowden and Eliza Emmerson--Scamblesby Parish
    Documents
    Marriage of William Snowden and Eliza Emmerson
Scamblesby Parish, Lincolnshire, England
    Marriage of William Snowden and Eliza Emmerson Scamblesby Parish, Lincolnshire, England
    Married in the Scamblesby Parish Church on the fourth day of October in the year 1825.
    It is interesting that both William and Eliza signed their names and did not use the customary "X" mark. William was an agricultural worker throughout his life, and demonstrated an unusual level of literacy for the day. Eliza's handwriting is quite elegant as well.
    Marriage Record
William Snowden and Eliza Emmerson
    Marriage Record William Snowden and Eliza Emmerson
    Issued after Banns
    4 October 1825
    Note the handwriting of both William and Eliza
    Extraordinary, for agricultural workers of the era
    Burial Records of William and Eliza
    Burial Records of William and Eliza
    Manby, Lincolnshire parish records
    Marriage Registration
Manby Parish Records (Lincolnshire, England)
    Marriage Registration Manby Parish Records (Lincolnshire, England)
    The marriage of William Sowden (Snowden), Bachelor and Eliza Emmerson, Spinster was approved by Banns and performed on the 4th day of October, 1825. Note the handwriting of both William and Eliza near the bottom of the form--which was remarkable given the fact that they were barely 20 years old and lived in rural farming communities. That William spelled his name as Sowden is not unusual, as spelling was phonetic in that era and the name was spelled in several ways.
    Manby Parish Record
1866/7
Burials 282 and 284
    Manby Parish Record 1866/7 Burials 282 and 284
    Record of the burials of William and Eliza Snowden. Record for William contains no forename, but the date shown is correct. Eliza's matches known records

    Williams age, listed as 62, places his birth year at approximately 1803/4. This corresponds to his Christening on November of 1803 in North Reston Parish.
    Family ID F17  Group Sheet

  • Photos
    Eliza EMERSON
    Eliza EMERSON
    Eliza EMERSON - 1
    Eliza EMERSON - 1
    Eliza EMERSON - 2
    Eliza EMERSON - 2
    Eliza EMERSON - 3
    Eliza EMERSON - 3

    Documents
    Burial Record, Eliza Snowden
Manby, Lincolnshire--1867
    Burial Record, Eliza Snowden Manby, Lincolnshire--1867
    Birth record of Eliza
Daughter of Robert and Hannah Emerson
    Birth record of Eliza Daughter of Robert and Hannah Emerson
    Alverstoke Parish Records.

    Review writings of Leslie Deane for information on this connection.

    Histories
    Emmerson Family Crest
Provided by Leslie Deane
    Emmerson Family Crest Provided by Leslie Deane

  • Sources 
    1. [S45]

    2. [S470] 1841 England Census--Market Stainton, Lincolnshire, England.

    3. [S546] 1851 England Census--North Ormsby, Lincolnshire, England, UK.

    4. [S251] 1861 England Census--North Somercoates, Lincolnshire, England, UK.

    5. [S381]

    6. [S351] Family History, Shirley (Johnson) Berry.

    7. [S253] 1851 England Census--Cockington, Lincolnshire, England, UK--North Ormsby Parish; Louth; Binbrook.

    8. [S354] National Burial Index--England.

    9. [S709]